Discussion:
Global Warming Is A Liberal Socialist Lie Designed To Destroy Capitalism And Christian Faith
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MoonPrancer
2006-06-24 14:29:41 UTC
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Global Warming is just more modernistic Liberal Junk Science and Hooey, no
different than Eveloution theory or heretic ideas that challenge the fact that
God created the universe 6,000 years ago.


In the good old days, left wing liars who promoted Hooey were sentenced to
death or tortured in public and ever since that stopped, all we've been hearing
is a bunch of left wing, pseudo-scientific, Anti-Christian, socialist gibber
jabber designed to brainwash us and impose social engineering. We need to get
back to the basics and force our schools to teach the wisdom of Bible word-for-
word, not some crap made up by greedy, rich government subsidized eggheads in a
lab who speak mumbo jumbo that nobody understands.
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Harvey
2006-06-24 15:41:34 UTC
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Post by MoonPrancer
Global Warming is just more modernistic Liberal Junk Science and Hooey, no
different than Eveloution theory or heretic ideas that challenge the fact that
God created the universe 6,000 years ago.
In the good old days, left wing liars who promoted Hooey were
sentenced to
death or tortured in public and ever since that stopped, all we've been hearing
is a bunch of left wing, pseudo-scientific, Anti-Christian, socialist gibber
jabber designed to brainwash us and impose social engineering. We need to get
back to the basics and force our schools to teach the wisdom of Bible word-for-
word, not some crap made up by greedy, rich government subsidized eggheads in a
lab who speak mumbo jumbo that nobody understands.
Somehow I doubt a rightwing religious nutcase would choose the idiotic
moniker "MoonPrancer." A lefty enviro-nitwit trying to bait one, yes,
but an actual rightwing religious nutcase, no.
Jim Edwards
2006-06-24 15:45:45 UTC
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Post by Harvey
Somehow I doubt a rightwing religious nutcase would choose the idiotic
moniker "MoonPrancer." A lefty enviro-nitwit trying to bait one, yes,
but an actual rightwing religious nutcase, no.
Are you kidding? There's a right wing Christofascist mental case named John
Lauzon who spams Canadian newsgroups with equally as ridiculous crap under the
name "Sundancer" and "SunPrancer". It's probably him.
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Harvey
2006-06-24 23:39:39 UTC
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Post by Jim Edwards
Post by Harvey
Somehow I doubt a rightwing religious nutcase would choose the idiotic
moniker "MoonPrancer." A lefty enviro-nitwit trying to bait one, yes,
but an actual rightwing religious nutcase, no.
Are you kidding? There's a right wing Christofascist mental case named John
Lauzon who spams Canadian newsgroups with equally as ridiculous crap under the
name "Sundancer" and "SunPrancer". It's probably him.
And Stephen Colbert is a rabid rightwing news commentator.

I suppose it's possible it isn't a joke. I hope it is, actually... the
cognitive dissonance in Usenet kooks is a big part of the charm. But I
have my doubts.
j***@yahoo.com
2006-06-24 15:44:09 UTC
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Sorry to dissapoint you but Global Warming is real. I am a hard core
conservative, in the vein of Pat Buchanan, so don't give me some
bullshit about this being some "liberal idea". Global warming is
serious my friend. You need to pull your head out of your ass and wake
up; quit thinking everything having to do with the enviromment is a
liberal idea.
Johnny Moore
2006-06-24 15:49:05 UTC
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Post by j***@yahoo.com
Sorry to dissapoint you but Global Warming is real. I am a hard core
conservative, in the vein of Pat Buchanan,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Now I KNOW yer a Nutziod!
CB - aka Unfrozen Caveman Politician Algore
2006-06-24 18:52:11 UTC
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Post by j***@yahoo.com
Sorry to dissapoint you but Global Warming is real. I am a hard core
conservative, in the vein of Pat Buchanan, so don't give me some
bullshit about this being some "liberal idea". Global warming is
serious my friend. You need to pull your head out of your ass and wake
up; quit thinking everything having to do with the enviromment is a
liberal idea.
It isn't global warming, it's planetary warming. All the planets are being
effected with by the sun!

To think man could create anything so grand as to effect climate change is
narsisistic.

AlGore thinks he's a demi-god. What a fool
CB - aka Unfrozen Caveman Politician Algore
2006-06-24 21:29:32 UTC
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Post by j***@yahoo.com
Sorry to dissapoint you but Global Warming is real. I am a hard core
conservative, in the vein of Pat Buchanan, so don't give me some
bullshit about this being some "liberal idea". Global warming is
serious my friend. You need to pull your head out of your ass and wake
up; quit thinking everything having to do with the enviromment is a
liberal idea.
As a Conservative do you believe in global warming or planetary warming?

Do you realize that the climatic change isn't unique to Earth, right? The
sun is intensifying, putting out more frequent solar storms

As a Conservative are you as egotistical as AlGore to think man can alter
the weather?
Trevor Wilson
2006-06-24 23:10:42 UTC
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Post by CB - aka Unfrozen Caveman Politician Algore
Post by j***@yahoo.com
Sorry to dissapoint you but Global Warming is real. I am a hard core
conservative, in the vein of Pat Buchanan, so don't give me some
bullshit about this being some "liberal idea". Global warming is
serious my friend. You need to pull your head out of your ass and wake
up; quit thinking everything having to do with the enviromment is a
liberal idea.
As a Conservative do you believe in global warming or planetary warming?
Do you realize that the climatic change isn't unique to Earth, right? The
sun is intensifying, putting out more frequent solar storms
**Oh really? How about some proof of that?
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Scout
2006-06-24 23:44:29 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by CB - aka Unfrozen Caveman Politician Algore
Post by j***@yahoo.com
Sorry to dissapoint you but Global Warming is real. I am a hard core
conservative, in the vein of Pat Buchanan, so don't give me some
bullshit about this being some "liberal idea". Global warming is
serious my friend. You need to pull your head out of your ass and wake
up; quit thinking everything having to do with the enviromment is a
liberal idea.
As a Conservative do you believe in global warming or planetary warming?
Do you realize that the climatic change isn't unique to Earth, right? The
sun is intensifying, putting out more frequent solar storms
**Oh really? How about some proof of that?
http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/solar/lassen1.html
Rich Travsky
2006-06-26 03:23:37 UTC
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Post by CB - aka Unfrozen Caveman Politician Algore
Post by j***@yahoo.com
Sorry to dissapoint you but Global Warming is real. I am a hard core
conservative, in the vein of Pat Buchanan, so don't give me some
bullshit about this being some "liberal idea". Global warming is
serious my friend. You need to pull your head out of your ass and wake
up; quit thinking everything having to do with the enviromment is a
liberal idea.
As a Conservative do you believe in global warming or planetary warming?
Do you realize that the climatic change isn't unique to Earth, right? The
sun is intensifying, putting out more frequent solar storms
As a Conservative are you as egotistical as AlGore to think man can alter
the weather?
CB believes Satan controls the weather.

RT
CB - aka Unfrozen Caveman Politician Algore
2006-06-26 03:54:42 UTC
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Post by Rich Travsky
Post by CB - aka Unfrozen Caveman Politician Algore
Post by j***@yahoo.com
Sorry to dissapoint you but Global Warming is real. I am a hard core
conservative, in the vein of Pat Buchanan, so don't give me some
bullshit about this being some "liberal idea". Global warming is
serious my friend. You need to pull your head out of your ass and wake
up; quit thinking everything having to do with the enviromment is a
liberal idea.
As a Conservative do you believe in global warming or planetary warming?
Do you realize that the climatic change isn't unique to Earth, right? The
sun is intensifying, putting out more frequent solar storms
As a Conservative are you as egotistical as AlGore to think man can alter
the weather?
CB believes Satan controls the weather.
And Thee True God controls the Heavens
Post by Rich Travsky
RT
CB - aka Unfrozen Caveman Politician Algore
2006-06-26 04:16:42 UTC
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Post by CB - aka Unfrozen Caveman Politician Algore
Post by Rich Travsky
Post by CB - aka Unfrozen Caveman Politician Algore
Post by j***@yahoo.com
Sorry to dissapoint you but Global Warming is real. I am a hard core
conservative, in the vein of Pat Buchanan, so don't give me some
bullshit about this being some "liberal idea". Global warming is
serious my friend. You need to pull your head out of your ass and wake
up; quit thinking everything having to do with the enviromment is a
liberal idea.
As a Conservative do you believe in global warming or planetary warming?
Do you realize that the climatic change isn't unique to Earth, right? The
sun is intensifying, putting out more frequent solar storms
As a Conservative are you as egotistical as AlGore to think man can alter
the weather?
CB believes Satan controls the weather.
Only when God's grace has been removed so to allow Evil to do it's thang
Post by CB - aka Unfrozen Caveman Politician Algore
And Thee True God controls the Heavens
CB
After all, "It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp"

Rich Travsky
2006-06-26 05:20:31 UTC
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Post by CB - aka Unfrozen Caveman Politician Algore
Post by CB - aka Unfrozen Caveman Politician Algore
Post by Rich Travsky
Post by CB - aka Unfrozen Caveman Politician Algore
Post by j***@yahoo.com
Sorry to dissapoint you but Global Warming is real. I am a hard core
conservative, in the vein of Pat Buchanan, so don't give me some
bullshit about this being some "liberal idea". Global warming is
serious my friend. You need to pull your head out of your ass and wake
up; quit thinking everything having to do with the enviromment is a
liberal idea.
As a Conservative do you believe in global warming or planetary warming?
Do you realize that the climatic change isn't unique to Earth, right? The
sun is intensifying, putting out more frequent solar storms
As a Conservative are you as egotistical as AlGore to think man can alter
the weather?
CB believes Satan controls the weather.
Only when God's grace has been removed so to allow Evil to do it's thang
Make up your mind.
Post by CB - aka Unfrozen Caveman Politician Algore
Post by CB - aka Unfrozen Caveman Politician Algore
And Thee True God controls the Heavens
CB
After all, "It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp"
http://youtu.be/Ut-molOyHB0
Joseph Welch
2006-06-26 07:57:04 UTC
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Post by CB - aka Unfrozen Caveman Politician Algore
Post by Rich Travsky
CB believes Satan controls the weather.
Only when God's grace has been removed so to allow Evil to do it's thang
He must really hate southern trailer parks, then.
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freedoms,values, and the very foundations of our system of government.
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j***@yahoo.com
2006-06-27 19:28:04 UTC
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You loonies want people to believe that global warming is caused by a
hotter sun ie. sun bursts. What a coincidence that just in the last 30
years, at the same time that man has been pumping billions of pounds of
pollutants into the atmostphere daily (for the first time in its
history), that global warming has nothing to do with these pollutants,
it's just that the sun, at this exact same time in the Earth's history,
is producing more sun bursts. Are you a mother fucking moron or what?
Scout
2006-06-27 21:52:32 UTC
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Post by j***@yahoo.com
You loonies want people to believe that global warming is caused by a
hotter sun ie. sun bursts.
http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/solar/lassen1.html

Then you explain the data and the correlation.
Post by j***@yahoo.com
What a coincidence that just in the last 30
years, at the same time that man has been pumping billions of pounds of
pollutants into the atmostphere daily (for the first time in its
history),
Sorry, but the temperature hasn't been increasing in just the last 30 years.
Indeed the average temperature increase in the first half of the 20th
Century is the same as the average temperature increase in the 2nd half of
the 20th Century. If pollutants were the cause then we should have seen a
much larger increase in the rate of temperature change as there were more
pollutants.

There wasn't. Hence, it's most likely NOT the pollutants that are causing
the change.


that global warming has nothing to do with these pollutants,
Post by j***@yahoo.com
it's just that the sun, at this exact same time in the Earth's history,
is producing more sun bursts.
Yep, the solar cycle has shifted from an 11.5 year cycle to a 10 year cycle.
Post by j***@yahoo.com
Are you a mother fucking moron or what?
No, he seems to know something about the subject which is more than can be
said for you.
SaPeIsMa
2006-06-28 02:18:07 UTC
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Post by j***@yahoo.com
You loonies want people to believe that global warming is caused by a
hotter sun ie. sun bursts. What a coincidence that just in the last 30
years, at the same time that man has been pumping billions of pounds of
pollutants into the atmostphere daily (for the first time in its
history), that global warming has nothing to do with these pollutants,
it's just that the sun, at this exact same time in the Earth's history,
is producing more sun bursts. Are you a mother fucking moron or what?
Mount St Helens put more polutants and joules of energy into the
athmosphere in one eruption, than man has been able to during the last
couple of centuries.
And Mount St Helens was NOT the only volcano erupting during that time.

And we're not even aware yet of how much stuff bubbles up from openings in
the earth's crust that are underseas.
Carl Nisarel
2006-06-28 03:09:25 UTC
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Post by SaPeIsMa
Mount St Helens put more polutants and joules of energy into
the athmosphere in one eruption, than man has been able to
during the last couple of centuries.
Petey's spewing falsehoods.
Carl Nisarel
2006-06-28 03:27:05 UTC
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Post by SaPeIsMa
Mount St Helens put more polutants and joules of energy into
the athmosphere in one eruption, than man has been able to
in the past hour.

Human activity pumps out 8 Mt St. Helens eruptions every day.
Bama Brian
2006-06-28 04:24:54 UTC
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Post by j***@yahoo.com
You loonies want people to believe that global warming is caused by a
hotter sun ie. sun bursts. What a coincidence that just in the last 30
years, at the same time that man has been pumping billions of pounds of
pollutants into the atmostphere daily (for the first time in its
history), that global warming has nothing to do with these pollutants,
it's just that the sun, at this exact same time in the Earth's history,
is producing more sun bursts. Are you a mother fucking moron or what?
Why no. But you're a foul-mouthed idiot.

BTW, the human race may be pumping billions of pounds of CO2 into the
atmosphere - but Mother Nature has pumped far more billions of tons into
the atmosphere during the same period.

And while you're at it, please tell us just why the Earth cooled
slightly from about 1945 to 1970? We had cars, jet airplanes, fossil
fuel-fired power plants and we were in a race to concrete the U.S.
"Pave paradise, put up a parking lot!" as the hippy song went. But the
planet was cooling. Do explain that, foul-mouthed jimj. Or just fuck
off and die.
James Beck
2006-06-28 15:05:49 UTC
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Post by Bama Brian
Post by j***@yahoo.com
You loonies want people to believe that global warming is caused by a
hotter sun ie. sun bursts. What a coincidence that just in the last 30
years, at the same time that man has been pumping billions of pounds of
pollutants into the atmostphere daily (for the first time in its
history), that global warming has nothing to do with these pollutants,
it's just that the sun, at this exact same time in the Earth's history,
is producing more sun bursts. Are you a mother fucking moron or what?
Why no. But you're a foul-mouthed idiot.
BTW, the human race may be pumping billions of pounds of CO2 into the
atmosphere - but Mother Nature has pumped far more billions of tons into
the atmosphere during the same period.
And while you're at it, please tell us just why the Earth cooled
slightly from about 1945 to 1970? We had cars, jet airplanes, fossil
fuel-fired power plants and we were in a race to concrete the U.S.
"Pave paradise, put up a parking lot!" as the hippy song went. But the
planet was cooling. Do explain that, foul-mouthed jimj. Or just fuck
off and die.
While I am clearly on the side of non anthropogenic causes for the
warming trend that MAY be occurring, the amount of CO2 produced by
humans is vastly greater than "natural" sources.

See the following:
http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/Gases/man.html
"Present-day carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from subaerial and submarine
volcanoes are uncertain at the present time. Gerlach (1991) estimated a
total global release of 3-4 x 10E12 mol/yr from volcanoes. This is a
conservative estimate. Man-made (anthropogenic) CO2 emissions overwhelm
this estimate by at least 150 times."

Even the USGS numbers show that humans far out pace volcanoes as a
source of CO2.
http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/About/What/Monitor/Gas/plumes.html

Jim
Bama Brian
2006-06-28 18:00:44 UTC
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Post by James Beck
Post by Bama Brian
Post by j***@yahoo.com
You loonies want people to believe that global warming is caused by a
hotter sun ie. sun bursts. What a coincidence that just in the last 30
years, at the same time that man has been pumping billions of pounds of
pollutants into the atmostphere daily (for the first time in its
history), that global warming has nothing to do with these pollutants,
it's just that the sun, at this exact same time in the Earth's history,
is producing more sun bursts. Are you a mother fucking moron or what?
Why no. But you're a foul-mouthed idiot.
BTW, the human race may be pumping billions of pounds of CO2 into the
atmosphere - but Mother Nature has pumped far more billions of tons into
the atmosphere during the same period.
And while you're at it, please tell us just why the Earth cooled
slightly from about 1945 to 1970? We had cars, jet airplanes, fossil
fuel-fired power plants and we were in a race to concrete the U.S.
"Pave paradise, put up a parking lot!" as the hippy song went. But the
planet was cooling. Do explain that, foul-mouthed jimj. Or just fuck
off and die.
While I am clearly on the side of non anthropogenic causes for the
warming trend that MAY be occurring, the amount of CO2 produced by
humans is vastly greater than "natural" sources.
http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/Gases/man.html
"Present-day carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from subaerial and submarine
volcanoes are uncertain at the present time. Gerlach (1991) estimated a
total global release of 3-4 x 10E12 mol/yr from volcanoes. This is a
conservative estimate. Man-made (anthropogenic) CO2 emissions overwhelm
this estimate by at least 150 times."
I don't believe Gerlach was looking at the output from a Mount St.
Helens event. But Catl said that humans produce 8x the Mount St. Helens
eruption volume every day. Yet Mount St. Helens produced something like
2 million metric tons (4.4 billion pounds) of SO2 (not CO2) in a
six-hour eruption.
Post by James Beck
Even the USGS numbers show that humans far out pace volcanoes as a
source of CO2.
http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/About/What/Monitor/Gas/plumes.html
I must be awfully dense today. Where in that site are the contrasted
numbers shown?

Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
Carl Nisarel
2006-06-28 18:02:38 UTC
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Post by Bama Brian
Yet Mount St. Helens produced something like
2 million metric tons (4.4 billion pounds) of SO2 (not CO2) in a
six-hour eruption.
200 million tons of SO2 are produced by power plants and other
human activities each year.
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James Beck
2006-06-28 21:02:10 UTC
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Post by Bama Brian
Post by James Beck
Post by Bama Brian
Post by j***@yahoo.com
You loonies want people to believe that global warming is caused by a
hotter sun ie. sun bursts. What a coincidence that just in the last 30
years, at the same time that man has been pumping billions of pounds of
pollutants into the atmostphere daily (for the first time in its
history), that global warming has nothing to do with these pollutants,
it's just that the sun, at this exact same time in the Earth's history,
is producing more sun bursts. Are you a mother fucking moron or what?
Why no. But you're a foul-mouthed idiot.
BTW, the human race may be pumping billions of pounds of CO2 into the
atmosphere - but Mother Nature has pumped far more billions of tons into
the atmosphere during the same period.
And while you're at it, please tell us just why the Earth cooled
slightly from about 1945 to 1970? We had cars, jet airplanes, fossil
fuel-fired power plants and we were in a race to concrete the U.S.
"Pave paradise, put up a parking lot!" as the hippy song went. But the
planet was cooling. Do explain that, foul-mouthed jimj. Or just fuck
off and die.
While I am clearly on the side of non anthropogenic causes for the
warming trend that MAY be occurring, the amount of CO2 produced by
humans is vastly greater than "natural" sources.
http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/Gases/man.html
"Present-day carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from subaerial and submarine
volcanoes are uncertain at the present time. Gerlach (1991) estimated a
total global release of 3-4 x 10E12 mol/yr from volcanoes. This is a
conservative estimate. Man-made (anthropogenic) CO2 emissions overwhelm
this estimate by at least 150 times."
I don't believe Gerlach was looking at the output from a Mount St.
Helens event. But Catl said that humans produce 8x the Mount St. Helens
eruption volume every day. Yet Mount St. Helens produced something like
2 million metric tons (4.4 billion pounds) of SO2 (not CO2) in a
six-hour eruption.
Post by James Beck
Even the USGS numbers show that humans far out pace volcanoes as a
source of CO2.
http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/About/What/Monitor/Gas/plumes.html
I must be awfully dense today. Where in that site are the contrasted
numbers shown?
I grabbed the wrong link, but just google "volcanic co2 emissions" and
there are all kinds of numbers, including USGS data.

Jim
Nietzsche
2006-06-28 21:10:02 UTC
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Post by James Beck
I grabbed the wrong link, but just google "volcanic co2 emissions" and
there are all kinds of numbers, including USGS data.
There are also some estimates that about 30% of the 8 gigatons of
annual CO2
can be accounted for by forest fires.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Library/GlobalFire/fire_3.html
Starkiller©
2006-06-28 21:26:34 UTC
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Post by Nietzsche
Post by James Beck
I grabbed the wrong link, but just google "volcanic co2 emissions" and
there are all kinds of numbers, including USGS data.
There are also some estimates that about 30% of the 8 gigatons of
annual CO2
can be accounted for by forest fires.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Library/GlobalFire/fire_3.html
Well then, that settles it. We MUST make Forest Fires and Volcanos
ILLEGAL. I propose heavy fines and lengthy jail terms for those in
violation.





Regards


Starkiller©

......"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
Hillary Clinton-2004
Robert Lamm
2006-06-28 21:36:04 UTC
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Post by Starkiller©
Post by Nietzsche
Post by James Beck
I grabbed the wrong link, but just google "volcanic co2 emissions" and
there are all kinds of numbers, including USGS data.
There are also some estimates that about 30% of the 8 gigatons of
annual CO2
can be accounted for by forest fires.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Library/GlobalFire/fire_3.html
Well then, that settles it. We MUST make Forest Fires and Volcanos
ILLEGAL. I propose heavy fines and lengthy jail terms for those in
violation.
What WAS the real cause of death regarding Smokey the Bear?
Starkiller©
2006-06-28 21:45:14 UTC
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On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:36:04 -0400, Robert Lamm
Post by Robert Lamm
Post by Starkiller©
Post by Nietzsche
Post by James Beck
I grabbed the wrong link, but just google "volcanic co2 emissions" and
there are all kinds of numbers, including USGS data.
There are also some estimates that about 30% of the 8 gigatons of
annual CO2
can be accounted for by forest fires.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Library/GlobalFire/fire_3.html
Well then, that settles it. We MUST make Forest Fires and Volcanos
ILLEGAL. I propose heavy fines and lengthy jail terms for those in
violation.
What WAS the real cause of death regarding Smokey the Bear?
I'm thinkin' this guy had something to do with it:
http://www.fire-ecology.org/research/smokey_bear_legacy.htm
Regards


Starkiller©

......"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
Hillary Clinton-2004
SaPeIsMa
2006-06-29 03:58:57 UTC
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Post by Robert Lamm
Post by Starkiller©
Post by Nietzsche
Post by James Beck
I grabbed the wrong link, but just google "volcanic co2 emissions" and
there are all kinds of numbers, including USGS data.
There are also some estimates that about 30% of the 8 gigatons of
annual CO2
can be accounted for by forest fires.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Library/GlobalFire/fire_3.html
Well then, that settles it. We MUST make Forest Fires and Volcanos
ILLEGAL. I propose heavy fines and lengthy jail terms for those in
violation.
What WAS the real cause of death regarding Smokey the Bear?
I thought that was a Chinese manufatcured 180 gr piece of lead.
After al, some of his glands, and his 4 paws were not found during the
autopsy.
James Beck
2006-06-29 14:29:38 UTC
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Post by Robert Lamm
Post by Starkiller©
Post by Nietzsche
Post by James Beck
I grabbed the wrong link, but just google "volcanic co2 emissions" and
there are all kinds of numbers, including USGS data.
There are also some estimates that about 30% of the 8 gigatons of
annual CO2
can be accounted for by forest fires.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Library/GlobalFire/fire_3.html
Well then, that settles it. We MUST make Forest Fires and Volcanos
ILLEGAL. I propose heavy fines and lengthy jail terms for those in
violation.
What WAS the real cause of death regarding Smokey the Bear?
He tastes like chicken.
Robert Lamm
2006-06-28 21:30:13 UTC
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Post by Nietzsche
Post by James Beck
I grabbed the wrong link, but just google "volcanic co2 emissions" and
there are all kinds of numbers, including USGS data.
There are also some estimates that about 30% of the 8 gigatons of
annual CO2
can be accounted for by forest fires.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Library/GlobalFire/fire_3.html
Now it's GIGATONS?

All made my LARGE FARTING COWS that were scared, well, shitless!

I now blaim it on the peoples of India, who refuse to eat the meat, and
just worship the leather covered methane factories.
SaPeIsMa
2006-06-28 18:23:28 UTC
Permalink
And while you're at it, please tell us just why the Earth cooled slightly
from about 1945 to 1970? We had cars, jet airplanes, fossil fuel-fired
power plants and we were in a race to concrete the U.S. "Pave paradise,
put up a parking lot!" as the hippy song went. But the planet was
cooling. Do explain that, foul-mouthed jimj. Or just fuck off and die.
Brian,
Can you give the references for the cooiling from 1945 to 1970 ?
Itwould be nice to have
thanks.
Bama Brian
2006-06-29 17:35:38 UTC
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Post by SaPeIsMa
And while you're at it, please tell us just why the Earth cooled slightly
from about 1945 to 1970? We had cars, jet airplanes, fossil fuel-fired
power plants and we were in a race to concrete the U.S. "Pave paradise,
put up a parking lot!" as the hippy song went. But the planet was
cooling. Do explain that, foul-mouthed jimj. Or just fuck off and die.
Brian,
Can you give the references for the cooiling from 1945 to 1970 ?
Itwould be nice to have
thanks.
E-Z, SaPelsMa. Look at the IPCC's "hockey stick" graph on an expanded
scale. You can see the blip on a condensed scale.

Note also that no true GW acolyte will explain it. Or even attempt to do so.

Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
Nietzsche
2006-06-28 17:50:24 UTC
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Post by CB - aka Unfrozen Caveman Politician Algore
Do you realize that the climatic change isn't unique to Earth, right? The
sun is intensifying, putting out more frequent solar storms.
Sunspot activity in not significant. Measured as a difference from
1750, greenhouse gas forcing is estimated at 1.4 W/m^2 compared to 0.3
W/m^2 from solar forcing.

See http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/fig6-6.htm
SaPeIsMa
2006-06-27 18:28:13 UTC
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Post by j***@yahoo.com
Sorry to dissapoint you but Global Warming is real. I am a hard core
conservative, in the vein of Pat Buchanan, so don't give me some
bullshit about this being some "liberal idea". Global warming is
serious my friend. You need to pull your head out of your ass and wake
up; quit thinking everything having to do with the enviromment is a
liberal idea.
Although global warning is very real
After all the planet has been continuously warming up since the last ice
age WITH NO PATTERN of COOLING since.
The problem is that your crowd has just jumped into believing with very
little data available that global warming is human caused.
THis is hard to believe considering that the trend in warming has gone from
near the freezing point of water to halfway to the boiling point of water.
And for the longest period, humans were so few that, in the geologic
context, humans could NOT have ANY EFFECT on the warming process
Now ALL OF A SUDDEN, and MOST MIRACULOUSLY, in the snap of a (geological)
finger, humans are at the root cause of this change for the last 100 years ?

You guys need to get some perspective on this issue.
Carl Nisarel
2006-06-27 19:19:36 UTC
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Post by SaPeIsMa
After all the planet has been continuously warming up
since the last ice age WITH NO PATTERN of COOLING since.
Peter Saly's a global warming denialist.

<snicker>

It figures.
ouroboros rex
2006-06-27 19:22:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by j***@yahoo.com
Sorry to dissapoint you but Global Warming is real. I am a hard core
conservative, in the vein of Pat Buchanan, so don't give me some
bullshit about this being some "liberal idea". Global warming is
serious my friend. You need to pull your head out of your ass and wake
up; quit thinking everything having to do with the enviromment is a
liberal idea.
Although global warning is very real
After all the planet has been continuously warming up since the last
ice age WITH NO PATTERN of COOLING since.
The problem is that your crowd has just jumped into believing with very
little data available that global warming is human caused.
THis is hard to believe considering that the trend in warming has gone
from near the freezing point of water to halfway to the boiling point of
water.
And for the longest period, humans were so few that, in the geologic
context, humans could NOT have ANY EFFECT on the warming process
Now ALL OF A SUDDEN, and MOST MIRACULOUSLY, in the snap of a (geological)
finger, humans are at the root cause of this change for the last 100 years ?
You guys need to get some perspective on this issue.
So do you guys - the perspecive of the orbiting synthetic aperture radars
that consistently show unprecedented rates of change in the ice caps.
Scout
2006-06-27 21:48:15 UTC
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Post by ouroboros rex
Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by j***@yahoo.com
Sorry to dissapoint you but Global Warming is real. I am a hard core
conservative, in the vein of Pat Buchanan, so don't give me some
bullshit about this being some "liberal idea". Global warming is
serious my friend. You need to pull your head out of your ass and wake
up; quit thinking everything having to do with the enviromment is a
liberal idea.
Although global warning is very real
After all the planet has been continuously warming up since the last
ice age WITH NO PATTERN of COOLING since.
The problem is that your crowd has just jumped into believing with very
little data available that global warming is human caused.
THis is hard to believe considering that the trend in warming has gone
from near the freezing point of water to halfway to the boiling point of
water.
And for the longest period, humans were so few that, in the geologic
context, humans could NOT have ANY EFFECT on the warming process
Now ALL OF A SUDDEN, and MOST MIRACULOUSLY, in the snap of a (geological)
finger, humans are at the root cause of this change for the last 100 years ?
You guys need to get some perspective on this issue.
So do you guys - the perspecive of the orbiting synthetic aperture radars
that consistently show unprecedented rates of change in the ice caps.
Free hint: Those show that changes are occurring they do NOT establish the
CAUSE for the changes.

One distinct possibility is an increase in solar flux which seems closely
correlated to the changes in global temperature.

http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/solar/lassen1.htmlhttp://www.tmgnow.com/repository/solar/lassen1.html

Of course, that's no good because man doesn't control the sun, so it must be
something else....according to the liberals.
SaPeIsMa
2006-06-28 02:23:56 UTC
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Post by ouroboros rex
Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by j***@yahoo.com
Sorry to dissapoint you but Global Warming is real. I am a hard core
conservative, in the vein of Pat Buchanan, so don't give me some
bullshit about this being some "liberal idea". Global warming is
serious my friend. You need to pull your head out of your ass and wake
up; quit thinking everything having to do with the enviromment is a
liberal idea.
Although global warning is very real
After all the planet has been continuously warming up since the last
ice age WITH NO PATTERN of COOLING since.
The problem is that your crowd has just jumped into believing with very
little data available that global warming is human caused.
THis is hard to believe considering that the trend in warming has gone
from near the freezing point of water to halfway to the boiling point of
water.
And for the longest period, humans were so few that, in the geologic
context, humans could NOT have ANY EFFECT on the warming process
Now ALL OF A SUDDEN, and MOST MIRACULOUSLY, in the snap of a (geological)
finger, humans are at the root cause of this change for the last 100 years ?
You guys need to get some perspective on this issue.
So do you guys - the perspecive of the orbiting synthetic aperture radars
that consistently show unprecedented rates of change in the ice caps.
You're measuring a blip on a scale that is a million years old.
j***@yahoo.com
2006-06-27 19:43:42 UTC
Permalink
Do you have any idea what the Earth population is TODAY vs 100 years
ago? Look it up. What about technology of today vs 100 years ago?
People have cars today whereas 100 years ago, the horse was the primary
mode of transportation (just for one example).
Scout
2006-06-27 21:53:19 UTC
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Post by j***@yahoo.com
Do you have any idea what the Earth population is TODAY vs 100 years
ago? Look it up. What about technology of today vs 100 years ago?
People have cars today whereas 100 years ago, the horse was the primary
mode of transportation (just for one example).
And this means what?
Nathan Watts
2006-06-27 21:56:19 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by j***@yahoo.com
Do you have any idea what the Earth population is TODAY vs 100 years
ago? Look it up. What about technology of today vs 100 years ago?
People have cars today whereas 100 years ago, the horse was the primary
mode of transportation (just for one example).
And this means what?
FARTS!
Scout
2006-06-27 22:10:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nathan Watts
Post by Scout
Post by j***@yahoo.com
Do you have any idea what the Earth population is TODAY vs 100 years
ago? Look it up. What about technology of today vs 100 years ago?
People have cars today whereas 100 years ago, the horse was the primary
mode of transportation (just for one example).
And this means what?
FARTS!
So by reducing horse farts we caused global warming???
Nathan Watts
2006-06-27 22:25:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Scout
Post by Nathan Watts
Post by Scout
Post by j***@yahoo.com
Do you have any idea what the Earth population is TODAY vs 100 years
ago? Look it up. What about technology of today vs 100 years ago?
People have cars today whereas 100 years ago, the horse was the primary
mode of transportation (just for one example).
And this means what?
FARTS!
So by reducing horse farts we caused global warming???
No. More people and COWS farts.
The numbers of horses hasn't really changed.
Scout
2006-06-27 22:31:31 UTC
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Post by Nathan Watts
Post by Scout
Post by Nathan Watts
Post by Scout
Post by j***@yahoo.com
Do you have any idea what the Earth population is TODAY vs 100 years
ago? Look it up. What about technology of today vs 100 years ago?
People have cars today whereas 100 years ago, the horse was the primary
mode of transportation (just for one example).
And this means what?
FARTS!
So by reducing horse farts we caused global warming???
No. More people and COWS farts.
The numbers of horses hasn't really changed.
Sorry, but the number of horses has declined, as well as the numbers of much
wild life. So while human population and cattle population has increased
they simply replaced other animals which are no longer around in great
numbers like Bison.

Going to tell me Bison don't fart?
0:->
2006-06-28 18:36:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Scout
Post by Nathan Watts
Post by Scout
Post by Nathan Watts
Post by Scout
Post by j***@yahoo.com
Do you have any idea what the Earth population is TODAY vs 100 years
ago? Look it up. What about technology of today vs 100 years ago?
People have cars today whereas 100 years ago, the horse was the primary
mode of transportation (just for one example).
And this means what?
FARTS!
So by reducing horse farts we caused global warming???
No. More people and COWS farts.
The numbers of horses hasn't really changed.
Sorry, but the number of horses has declined, as well as the numbers of much
wild life. So while human population and cattle population has increased
they simply replaced other animals which are no longer around in great
numbers like Bison.
Going to tell me Bison don't fart?
Respectfully, I think numbers of both horses and wild animals may have
increased. The deer population has become a menace, and in ancient times
in North America deer populations where kept down by their use as a
primary meat source for natives, and later colonialists.

Horses is yet another interesting story.

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=144565

CURRENT POPULATION – US

Domestic and Recreational Horses: 6.9 million

Wild Horses & Burros: 46, 500
Horses: 43,629
Burros: 4,995


HISTORICAL DOMESTIC POPULATION – US

1867 – 8,000,000
1915 – 21,500,000
1949 – 6,000,000
1950’s (early) - 2,000,000
1957 – 750,000 (*unreliable source? See sources below)
1960 – 3 million


HISTORICAL WILD/FERAL POPULATIONS – US

1971 – 17,000 (first census)

Late 1800’s – Over 1,000,000 in Texas alone
End of 1800’s – 2 million ...


Our real problem with methane gases though is not horses, but cows. We
have a huge feedlot and dairy population of cows. Just their farts are
methane producers of gigantic proportions, and if you add the fermenting
massive piles of manure...whew! No pun intended.

My personal take though is that compared to a fart from the Sun they are
not significant.

0:->
--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)
SaPeIsMa
2006-06-29 03:56:49 UTC
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Post by 0:->
Post by Scout
Post by Nathan Watts
Post by Scout
Post by Nathan Watts
Post by Scout
Post by j***@yahoo.com
Do you have any idea what the Earth population is TODAY vs 100 years
ago? Look it up. What about technology of today vs 100 years ago?
People have cars today whereas 100 years ago, the horse was the primary
mode of transportation (just for one example).
And this means what?
FARTS!
So by reducing horse farts we caused global warming???
No. More people and COWS farts.
The numbers of horses hasn't really changed.
Sorry, but the number of horses has declined, as well as the numbers of
much wild life. So while human population and cattle population has
increased they simply replaced other animals which are no longer around
in great numbers like Bison.
Going to tell me Bison don't fart?
Respectfully, I think numbers of both horses and wild animals may have
increased. The deer population has become a menace, and in ancient times
in North America deer populations where kept down by their use as a
primary meat source for natives, and later colonialists.
Horses is yet another interesting story.
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=144565
CURRENT POPULATION – US
Domestic and Recreational Horses: 6.9 million
Wild Horses & Burros: 46, 500
Horses: 43,629
Burros: 4,995
HISTORICAL DOMESTIC POPULATION – US
1867 – 8,000,000
1915 – 21,500,000
1949 – 6,000,000
1950’s (early) - 2,000,000
1957 – 750,000 (*unreliable source? See sources below)
1960 – 3 million
HISTORICAL WILD/FERAL POPULATIONS – US
1971 – 17,000 (first census)
Late 1800’s – Over 1,000,000 in Texas alone
End of 1800’s – 2 million ...
Our real problem with methane gases though is not horses, but cows. We
have a huge feedlot and dairy population of cows. Just their farts are
methane producers of gigantic proportions, and if you add the fermenting
massive piles of manure...whew! No pun intended.
My personal take though is that compared to a fart from the Sun they are
not significant.
You forgot to factor in the farts and bloviation of all left-leaners who are
pro-Kyoto and anti-gun.
Right there, we have ALL domestic animals out-produced on an annual basis
Don't you think


Just take nisarel as a case in point...
<snicker>
Bama Brian
2006-06-29 17:44:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by 0:->
Post by Scout
Post by Nathan Watts
Post by Scout
Post by Nathan Watts
Post by Scout
Post by j***@yahoo.com
Do you have any idea what the Earth population is TODAY vs 100 years
ago? Look it up. What about technology of today vs 100 years ago?
People have cars today whereas 100 years ago, the horse was the primary
mode of transportation (just for one example).
And this means what?
FARTS!
So by reducing horse farts we caused global warming???
No. More people and COWS farts.
The numbers of horses hasn't really changed.
Sorry, but the number of horses has declined, as well as the numbers
of much wild life. So while human population and cattle population has
increased they simply replaced other animals which are no longer
around in great numbers like Bison.
Going to tell me Bison don't fart?
Respectfully, I think numbers of both horses and wild animals may have
increased. The deer population has become a menace, and in ancient times
in North America deer populations where kept down by their use as a
primary meat source for natives, and later colonialists.
Horses is yet another interesting story.
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=144565
CURRENT POPULATION – US
Domestic and Recreational Horses: 6.9 million
Wild Horses & Burros: 46, 500
Horses: 43,629
Burros: 4,995
HISTORICAL DOMESTIC POPULATION – US
1867 – 8,000,000
1915 – 21,500,000
1949 – 6,000,000
1950’s (early) - 2,000,000
1957 – 750,000 (*unreliable source? See sources below)
1960 – 3 million
HISTORICAL WILD/FERAL POPULATIONS – US
1971 – 17,000 (first census)
Late 1800’s – Over 1,000,000 in Texas alone
End of 1800’s – 2 million ...
Our real problem with methane gases though is not horses, but cows. We
have a huge feedlot and dairy population of cows. Just their farts are
methane producers of gigantic proportions, and if you add the fermenting
massive piles of manure...whew! No pun intended.
My personal take though is that compared to a fart from the Sun they are
not significant.
0:->
What people forget is just how abundant the wildlife was in early
America. It is estimated that there were from three to five billion of
passenger pigeons and from 30 to 60 million of buffalo in the early
1800's - all of which have either been exterminated or nearly so.

Besides, the methane comes mostly from the belly and is eructated (belched).

Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
ehollo
2006-06-29 21:42:09 UTC
Permalink
Yeah, so let's keep pumping 60 billion tons of chemicals into the
atmosphere.

And, according to Bush, the "jury is still out on the theory of evolution."

What jury?
Where?
Post by 0:->
Post by Scout
Post by Nathan Watts
Post by Scout
Post by Nathan Watts
Post by Scout
Post by j***@yahoo.com
Do you have any idea what the Earth population is TODAY vs 100 years
ago? Look it up. What about technology of today vs 100 years ago?
People have cars today whereas 100 years ago, the horse was the primary
mode of transportation (just for one example).
And this means what?
FARTS!
So by reducing horse farts we caused global warming???
No. More people and COWS farts.
The numbers of horses hasn't really changed.
Sorry, but the number of horses has declined, as well as the numbers of
much wild life. So while human population and cattle population has
increased they simply replaced other animals which are no longer around
in great numbers like Bison.
Going to tell me Bison don't fart?
Respectfully, I think numbers of both horses and wild animals may have
increased. The deer population has become a menace, and in ancient times
in North America deer populations where kept down by their use as a
primary meat source for natives, and later colonialists.
Horses is yet another interesting story.
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=144565
CURRENT POPULATION – US
Domestic and Recreational Horses: 6.9 million
Wild Horses & Burros: 46, 500
Horses: 43,629
Burros: 4,995
HISTORICAL DOMESTIC POPULATION – US
1867 – 8,000,000
1915 – 21,500,000
1949 – 6,000,000
1950’s (early) - 2,000,000
1957 – 750,000 (*unreliable source? See sources below)
1960 – 3 million
HISTORICAL WILD/FERAL POPULATIONS – US
1971 – 17,000 (first census)
Late 1800’s – Over 1,000,000 in Texas alone
End of 1800’s – 2 million ...
Our real problem with methane gases though is not horses, but cows. We
have a huge feedlot and dairy population of cows. Just their farts are
methane producers of gigantic proportions, and if you add the fermenting
massive piles of manure...whew! No pun intended.
My personal take though is that compared to a fart from the Sun they are
not significant.
0:->
What people forget is just how abundant the wildlife was in early America.
It is estimated that there were from three to five billion of passenger
pigeons and from 30 to 60 million of buffalo in the early 1800's - all of
which have either been exterminated or nearly so.
Besides, the methane comes mostly from the belly and is eructated (belched).
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
Scout
2006-06-29 23:30:41 UTC
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Post by ehollo
Yeah, so let's keep pumping 60 billion tons of chemicals into the
atmosphere.
Well, you can always do your part and hold your breath from now on. What?
You're not willing to make sacrifices? How......selfish.

SaPeIsMa
2006-06-28 02:21:10 UTC
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Post by j***@yahoo.com
Do you have any idea what the Earth population is TODAY vs 100 years
ago? Look it up. What about technology of today vs 100 years ago?
People have cars today whereas 100 years ago, the horse was the primary
mode of transportation (just for one example).
And 100 years ago, cities like London were a misama of pullution from all
the wood and coal that was being burned to heat and cook.
We'll not even discuss the polution that was created iat the same time by
the new "Industrial Age".

And by the way, the technology of today is ffar more efficient at it's use
of energy and raw materials than let's say 100 years ago.
Bama Brian
2006-06-28 04:38:27 UTC
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Post by j***@yahoo.com
Do you have any idea what the Earth population is TODAY vs 100 years
ago? Look it up. What about technology of today vs 100 years ago?
People have cars today whereas 100 years ago, the horse was the primary
mode of transportation (just for one example).
Just a teenie little hint for you, Foul de Mouth. The "last 30 years"
you've ranted about were NOT a hundred years ago.

Just FYI, the first Industrial Revolution started in the late 1600's and
has continued until today. Coal burning and oil burning was pretty well
widespread by the late 1700's to the mid 1800's, with locomotives,
primitive oil burning engines in ships, and the like all over the
planet. Even houses were heated by coal, natural gas, wood, and even oil.

But you know what the IPCC's graphs show? That the planet was _COOLING_
until 1900! So where did the human CO2 contribution go until then? And
why did the temperature begin to rise in 1900, when the level of
technology was no greater than it had been in 1890?

And wonder of wonders, why was the planet actually COOLING from about
1945 until 1970? Or are you so stupid that you believe horse-drawn
buckboards were the vehicle of choice in 1965?

Jeers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
CB - aka Unfrozen Caveman Politician Algore
2006-06-28 16:05:08 UTC
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Post by Bama Brian
Post by j***@yahoo.com
Do you have any idea what the Earth population is TODAY vs 100 years
ago? Look it up. What about technology of today vs 100 years ago?
People have cars today whereas 100 years ago, the horse was the primary
mode of transportation (just for one example).
Just a teenie little hint for you, Foul de Mouth. The "last 30 years"
you've ranted about were NOT a hundred years ago.
Just FYI, the first Industrial Revolution started in the late 1600's and
has continued until today. Coal burning and oil burning was pretty well
widespread by the late 1700's to the mid 1800's, with locomotives,
primitive oil burning engines in ships, and the like all over the planet.
Even houses were heated by coal, natural gas, wood, and even oil.
But you know what the IPCC's graphs show? That the planet was _COOLING_
until 1900! So where did the human CO2 contribution go until then? And
why did the temperature begin to rise in 1900, when the level of
technology was no greater than it had been in 1890?
And wonder of wonders, why was the planet actually COOLING from about 1945
until 1970? Or are you so stupid that you believe horse-drawn buckboards
were the vehicle of choice in 1965?
Jeers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
I think it's all due from the flatulence of Algore
Nietzsche
2006-06-28 18:14:07 UTC
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Post by SaPeIsMa
The problem is that your crowd has just jumped into believing with very
little data available that global warming is human caused.
What don't you believe?

That CO2 levels have risen from about 80 ppm in 1750 (beginning of the
Industrial Age) to 350+ ppm currently?

That the tree ring data for past temperature measurements is incorrect?

That the reflectivity of CO2 is wrong?
Nathan Watts
2006-06-28 18:27:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nietzsche
Post by SaPeIsMa
The problem is that your crowd has just jumped into believing with very
little data available that global warming is human caused.
What don't you believe?
That CO2 levels have risen from about 80 ppm in 1750 (beginning of the
Industrial Age) to 350+ ppm currently?
That the tree ring data for past temperature measurements is incorrect?
That the reflectivity of CO2 is wrong?
Not at all.
Just debating that everything evil is caused by humans.

I say it's from cattle farts.
All the more reason to EAT MORE MEAT, and fast!
...and the more veal, the better. :)
CB - aka Unfrozen Caveman Politician Algore
2006-06-29 12:48:33 UTC
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Post by Nathan Watts
Post by Nietzsche
Post by SaPeIsMa
The problem is that your crowd has just jumped into believing with very
little data available that global warming is human caused.
What don't you believe?
That CO2 levels have risen from about 80 ppm in 1750 (beginning of the
Industrial Age) to 350+ ppm currently?
That the tree ring data for past temperature measurements is incorrect?
That the reflectivity of CO2 is wrong?
Not at all.
Just debating that everything evil is caused by humans.
I say it's from cattle farts.
All the more reason to EAT MORE MEAT, and fast!
...and the more veal, the better. :)
I saw beef ribs on sale fore $1.70 a lb at Albertson's
--
CB
After all, "It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp"
http://youtu.be/Ut-molOyHB0
SaPeIsMa
2006-06-29 03:52:56 UTC
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Post by Nietzsche
Post by SaPeIsMa
The problem is that your crowd has just jumped into believing with very
little data available that global warming is human caused.
What don't you believe?
That CO2 levels have risen from about 80 ppm in 1750 (beginning of the
Industrial Age) to 350+ ppm currently?
That the tree ring data for past temperature measurements is incorrect?
That the reflectivity of CO2 is wrong?
That the causality of the above to cause enough temperature rise has been
demonstrated.

You're arguing
1) there are butteflies
2) Buttreflies have pretty wings
3) Butterfly wings move air
Therefore the energy of butterfly wings fluttering are a cause of global
warming.

Maybe they do cause global warming
But do they cause enough of it to be meaningfull ?

You forgot to demonstrate that your claim is meaningful in the context of
causality.
Bama Brian
2006-06-29 17:29:46 UTC
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Post by Nietzsche
Post by SaPeIsMa
The problem is that your crowd has just jumped into believing with very
little data available that global warming is human caused.
What don't you believe?
That CO2 levels have risen from about 80 ppm in 1750 (beginning of the
Industrial Age) to 350+ ppm currently?
Nietzsche, didn't you mean about 280 ppm in 1750?
Post by Nietzsche
That the tree ring data for past temperature measurements is incorrect?
This is called "proxy data" and is only a judgment call. Was it
warmer/colder/drier/wetter/less sun/more sun that year? If so, how did
it affect the tree rings?
Post by Nietzsche
That the reflectivity of CO2 is wrong?
No argument here, except for the volume of CO2. The TOTAL volume of the
earth's atmosphere that is CO2 is 0.03%, or about three hundreths of one
percent. How much of that can be called anthropogenic in origin is the
part that's arguable.

Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
z***@netscape.net
2006-06-24 22:05:26 UTC
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Post by MoonPrancer
Global Warming is just more modernistic Liberal Junk Science and Hooey, no
different than Eveloution theory or heretic ideas that challenge the fact that
God created the universe 6,000 years ago.
Yes just like fusion power, radioactivity, DNA, robots and
computers
are also loes.
God is freak of nature. invented by GM for morons.
Post by MoonPrancer
In the good old days, left wing liars who promoted Hooey were sentenced to
death or tortured in public and ever since that stopped, all we've been hearing
is a bunch of left wing, pseudo-scientific,
In good old days, they called Thomas Aquinas a moron,
since he wasn't Aristotle.



Anti-Christian, socialist gibber
Post by MoonPrancer
jabber designed to brainwash us and impose social engineering. We need to get
back to the basics and force our schools to teach the wisdom of Bible word-for-
word, not some crap made up by greedy, rich government subsidized eggheads in a
lab who speak mumbo jumbo that nobody understands.
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Scout
2006-06-24 22:55:35 UTC
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Post by MoonPrancer
Global Warming is just more modernistic Liberal Junk Science and Hooey, no
different than Eveloution theory or heretic ideas that challenge the fact that
God created the universe 6,000 years ago.
Yes just like fusion power,
You mean like the Sun?
Post by z***@netscape.net
radioactivity,
You mean like occurs in natural elements?
Post by z***@netscape.net
DNA,
Like is in your body
Post by z***@netscape.net
robots
Which exist in nature depending on what specific definition you are looking
at.
Post by z***@netscape.net
and
computers
Like your brain?
z***@netscape.net
2006-06-25 01:50:48 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by z***@netscape.net
Post by MoonPrancer
Global Warming is just more modernistic Liberal Junk Science and Hooey, no
different than Eveloution theory or heretic ideas that challenge the fact that
God created the universe 6,000 years ago.
Yes just like fusion power,
You mean like the Sun?
No, I neab like neurtron stars.
The Sun is just a lonely companion in the middle of nowhere of
Jupiter and Saturn.
Post by Scout
Post by z***@netscape.net
radioactivity,
You mean like occurs in natural elements?
No I mean like in Geiger counters.
The stuff in natural elements is just low-lead crap Bush owns.
Post by Scout
Post by z***@netscape.net
DNA,
Like is in your body
No, like as in Martian Polar fungus.
Post by Scout
Post by z***@netscape.net
robots
Which exist in nature depending on what specific definition you are looking
at.
The defintion I look at are the kind that lift submarines off the
ocean bottom, which don't occur in nature.
Post by Scout
Post by z***@netscape.net
and
computers
Like your brain?
No, like 1,000,000,000,000 puny human brains running in parallel.
b***@gmail.com
2006-06-28 01:55:42 UTC
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The bottom line is that the science behind it is totally suspect. And
what's more - the witch hunt on the Hill against anyone who offers any
reasonable counter-point is intense.

Maybe climatic change is happening - but it seems really difficult to
draw any conclusions based upon what's being presented. The fact that
there is no real "debate" in the scientific community is a bad sign.

Even those who point to "tobacco" debate and attempt to draw parallels
miss the point. If one accepts the argument that Tobacco was trying to
"cover up" the issue - then one must believe that Tobacco's lobby did
studies to obfuscate the issue - they were backed by serious cash.

Those speaking against global warming don't fit that bill. All of the
"leading" guys are all reputable scientists who have paid a serious
price for their heresy. The real "big bench" benefactors are those who
continue to sound the drumbeat that the world is coming to an end.

(See my blog - I actually wrote on that today: www.rightcommentary.com)

Bryan
Post by MoonPrancer
Global Warming is just more modernistic Liberal Junk Science and Hooey, no
different than Eveloution theory or heretic ideas that challenge the fact that
God created the universe 6,000 years ago.
In the good old days, left wing liars who promoted Hooey were sentenced to
death or tortured in public and ever since that stopped, all we've been hearing
is a bunch of left wing, pseudo-scientific, Anti-Christian, socialist gibber
jabber designed to brainwash us and impose social engineering. We need to get
back to the basics and force our schools to teach the wisdom of Bible word-for-
word, not some crap made up by greedy, rich government subsidized eggheads in a
lab who speak mumbo jumbo that nobody understands.
--
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