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Jews are NOT Entitled to Israel in Present Days-- So Proves the Scripture!! R_0627
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Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
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Subject: G-d's Will - Jews No Longer OWN The Land Israel
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:27:25 GMT
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Subject: Re: Jews Go Home!
Date: 31 May 1999 07:29:47 GMT
Organization: Netcom
We are home. You're the invader.
Stop the illusions. Go back to Krakow. It's our land. Forever.
The invadors are you jewish fanatics who invaded OUR land in 1948.
I wish those ships sank before they reached Yafa.
Hani
Please specify how the half million Jews resident in Israel in 1948 are
invaders of the land given to them.
Who gave "Jews" the land in 1948? If you say G-d then you are wrong! G-d
has thoroughly dispossessed you of the land that you claim as YOURS. The
Temple being in ruins for nearly two thousand years is tantamount to the
fact as spoken:

THE TEMPLE INUAGURATION AND GOD'S STATEMENT

1 Kings 9:3-9 (English-RSV):
3 And the LORD said to him [King Solomon], "I have heard your prayer and
your supplication, which you have made before me; I have
consecrated this house which you have built, and put my name there for
ever; my eyes and my heart will be there for all time.
4 And as for you, if you will walk before me, as David your father walked,
with integrity of heart and uprightness, doing according to all that I
have commanded you, and keeping my statutes and my
ordinances,
5 then I will establish your royal throne over Israel for ever, as I
promised David your father, saying, 'There shall not fail you a man upon
the throne of Israel.'
6 But if you turn aside from following me, you or your children, and do
not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but
go and serve other gods and worship them,
7 then I will cut off Israel from the land which I have given them; and
the house which I have consecrated for my name I will cast out of my
sight; and Israel will become a proverb and a byword among all peoples.
8 And this house will become a heap of ruins; everyone passing by it will
be astonished, and will hiss; and they will say, 'Why has the LORD done
thus to this land and to this house?'
9 Then they will say, 'Because they forsook the LORD their God who brought
their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other gods, and
worshiped them and served them; therefore the LORD has brought all this
evil upon them.'"

Here is Jesus foretelling of the current temple destruction and the
casting of the Jews who presumed to still have G-d's approval:

Matthew 21:33-46 (English-RSV)
33 [Jesus said] "Hear another parable. There was a householder who planted
a vineyard, and set a hedge around it, and dug a wine press in it, and
built a tower, and let it out to tenants, and went into
another country.
34 When the season of fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the
tenants, to get his fruit;
35 and the tenants took his servants and beat one, killed another, and
stoned another.
36 Again he sent other servants, more than the first; and they did the
same to them.
37 Afterward he sent his son to them, saying, 'They will respect my son.'
38 But when the tenants saw the son, they said to themselves, 'This is the
heir; come, let us kill him and have his inheritance.'
39 And they took him and cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. 40
When therefore the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those
tenants?"
41 They said to him, "He will put those wretches to a miserable death, and
let out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him the fruits in
their seasons."
42 Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the scriptures: 'The very
stone which the builders rejected has become the head of the corner; this
was the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes'?
43 Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and
given to a nation producing the fruits of it."
44 _
45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they
perceived that he was speaking about them.
46 But when they tried to arrest him, they feared the multitudes, because
they held him to be a prophet.

[...]

God destroyed the Temple and drove Jews out from Israel almost 2000 years
ago! Was it God or was it man's doing that Israel be made a State in 1948?

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Consider this:

http://www.israel-mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH00hb0
(Link still active May 16, 2003 and saved locally as: MFAH00hb0)
"THE DECLARATION OF THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL May 14, 1948
On May 14, 1948, on the day in which the British Mandate over a Palestine
expired, the Jewish People's Council gathered at the Tel Aviv Museum, and
approved the following proclamation, declaring the establishment of the
State of Israel. The new state was recognized that night at 11:00 AM
Israel time by the United States and three days later by the USSR...
Text:
ERETZ-ISRAEL [(Hebrew) - the Land of Israel, Palestine] was the birthplace of
the Jewish people...
After being forcibly exiled from their land, the people kept faith with it
throughout their Dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return
to it and for the restoration in it of their political freedom.

<<Tavish comment May 16, 2003: It was GOD himself who drove you out BUT is now
MAN countering God's will by trying to undo what GOD did and willed.>>

In the year 5657 (1897), at the summons of the spiritual father of the Jewish
State, Theodore Herzl, the First Zionist Congress convened and proclaimed the
right of the Jewish people to national rebirth in its own country.

This right was recognized in the Balfour Declaration of the 2nd November, 1917,
and re-affirmed in the Mandate of the League of Nations which, in particular,
gave international sanction to the historic connection between the Jewish people
and Eretz-Israel and to the right of the Jewish people to rebuild its National
Home...

<<Tavish comment May 16, 2003: Thus we see it is MAN creating the Jewish State
of Israel rather than it being GOD.>>

On the 29th November, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed a
resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish State in Eretz-Israel; the
General Assembly required the inhabitants of Eretz-Israel to take such steps as
were necessary on their part for the implementation of that resolution. This
recognition by the United Nations of the right of the Jewish people to establish
their State is irrevocable.

This right is the natural right of the Jewish people to be masters of their own
fate, like all other nations, in their own sovereign State.

ACCORDINGLY WE, MEMBERS OF THE PEOPLE'S COUNCIL, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE JEWISH
COMMUNITY OF ERETZ-ISRAEL AND OF THE ZIONIST MOVEMENT, ARE HERE ASSEMBLED ON THE
DAY OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER ERETZ-ISRAEL AND, BY VIRTUE
OF OUR NATURAL AND HISTORIC RIGHT AND ON THE STRENGTH OF THE RESOLUTION OF THE
UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY, HEREBY DECLARE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A JEWISH
STATE IN ERETZ-ISRAEL, TO BE KNOWN AS THE STATE OF ISRAEL.

WE DECLARE that, with effect from the moment of the termination of the Mandate
being tonight, the eve of Sabbath, the 6th Iyar, 5708 (15th May, 1948), until
the establishment of the elected, regular authorities of the State in accordance
with the Constitution which shall be adopted by the Elected Constituent Assembly
not later than the 1st October 1948, the People's Council shall act as a
Provisional Council of State, and its executive organ, the People's
Administration, shall be the Provisional Government of the Jewish State, to be
called "Israel"....

WE APPEAL to the Jewish people throughout the Diaspora to rally round the Jews
of Eretz-Israel in the tasks of immigration and upbuilding and to stand by them
in the great struggle for the realization of the age-old dream - the redemption
of Israel.

PLACING OUR TRUST IN THE ALMIGHTY, WE AFFIX OUR SIGNATURES TO THIS PROCLAMATION
AT THIS SESSION OF THE PROVISIONAL COUNCIL OF STATE, ON THE SOIL OF THE
HOMELAND, IN THE CITY OF TEL-AVIV, ON THIS SABBATH EVE, THE 5TH DAY OF IYAR,
5708 (14TH MAY,1948).

* Published in the Official Gazette, No. 1 of the 5th, Iyar, 5708 (14th May,
1948).

--<END>--

Hardly looks like God brought about the disenfranchisement of Palestinians
from their land does it? Modern "Israel" was mandated by man NOT by God!

~~End of Expanded GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~

IF the present State of Israel is truly a restoration of land by God to the Jews
then why would God have driven Jews out of Israel ~2000 years ago when they
denounced Jesus as the scripture above showed and then "recently" restore the
land to Jews who have to this day have not recognized Jesus as the Messiah? VERY
IMPORTANT QUESTION!!

I.E.

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Date: 13 May 2003 05:29:00 GMT

Israel today is a Communist/Socialist state as proven by these archives:

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Subject: Political Parties of Israel (Israel is a Communist Sympathizer Nation!)
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Date: 18 May 2003 07:27:35 GMT

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Subject: Capitalism, Communism, and Technology in Jewish Thought (In Their Own
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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:32:52 -0600
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In fact the world's largest Jewish organization has funded a communist:

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Subject: Tax Exempt Religious Org (B'nai Brith) Gave Communist Financial and
Moral Support
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Date: 4 Jun 2003 21:52:32 GMT

Communism is diametrically opposed to Christianity yet many people who claim to
be the "Sheep of Jesus" support the enemies of the true faith!

More hostility toward the "faith" by Pharisaic Jews:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=1f8acvstaavq2cpk5s82i72ld7b7p5rkon%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Lubavitcher Given Congressional Gold Medal aka Congressional Jewish
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How First Century Christianity Was Treated by Jews:
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How Later Christianity was treated by Jews:
Jewish Led Bolsheviks Scalped & Crucified Christians by Philippa Fletcher
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Subject: Bolsheviks Scalped and Crucified Christians -
Date: 1998/01/18
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Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) R_0425
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Date: 16 May 2003 06:36:09 GMT

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Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:31:56 -0500
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How anyone who claims to be a Christian can support the illegitimate State of
Israel run by communists/socialists is a real stretch of reality and a definite
indicator of how ignorant people are of the Devil's Designs!

A MUST see also:

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Subject: Today's Judaism is the Same Stuff Jesus Condemned ~2000 Years Ago
(Which Has Had Some Additions Made Since Then) V3.0 R_0625
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:51:27 -0500
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Tavish

--Jewish Tradition will NEVER teach Non-Jews as being equals--
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Subject: Bigoted Reasoning of Jews on Relations with Non-Jews From Chabad
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Pre-Earthly Existence? R_0520
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Caiaphas
2003-06-27 12:54:05 UTC
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Thats the way I understand the Scriptures -- Modern Day Israel is *not* a
God-inspired entity.

If you are a Christian, you should reject anything that is against Christ -- and
that is one of Judaism's pillars -- that Jesus was just an ordinary man and not
the Son of God. Sounds like "anti-Christ" to me.
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Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Subject: Old Covenant Vs New -- New Covenant Replaces Old Covenant (Jews NO
Longer God's Chosen People & Entitled to "Israel" So Says the Scripture!)
Subject: G-d's Will - Jews No Longer OWN The Land Israel
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:27:25 GMT
(Excerpt)
Subject: Re: Jews Go Home!
Date: 31 May 1999 07:29:47 GMT
Organization: Netcom
We are home. You're the invader.
Stop the illusions. Go back to Krakow. It's our land. Forever.
The invadors are you jewish fanatics who invaded OUR land in 1948.
I wish those ships sank before they reached Yafa.
Hani
Please specify how the half million Jews resident in Israel in 1948 are
invaders of the land given to them.
Who gave "Jews" the land in 1948? If you say G-d then you are wrong! G-d
has thoroughly dispossessed you of the land that you claim as YOURS. The
Temple being in ruins for nearly two thousand years is tantamount to the
THE TEMPLE INUAGURATION AND GOD'S STATEMENT
3 And the LORD said to him [King Solomon], "I have heard your prayer and
your supplication, which you have made before me; I have
consecrated this house which you have built, and put my name there for
ever; my eyes and my heart will be there for all time.
4 And as for you, if you will walk before me, as David your father walked,
with integrity of heart and uprightness, doing according to all that I
have commanded you, and keeping my statutes and my
ordinances,
5 then I will establish your royal throne over Israel for ever, as I
promised David your father, saying, 'There shall not fail you a man upon
the throne of Israel.'
6 But if you turn aside from following me, you or your children, and do
not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but
go and serve other gods and worship them,
7 then I will cut off Israel from the land which I have given them; and
the house which I have consecrated for my name I will cast out of my
sight; and Israel will become a proverb and a byword among all peoples.
8 And this house will become a heap of ruins; everyone passing by it will
be astonished, and will hiss; and they will say, 'Why has the LORD done
thus to this land and to this house?'
9 Then they will say, 'Because they forsook the LORD their God who brought
their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other gods, and
worshiped them and served them; therefore the LORD has brought all this
evil upon them.'"
Here is Jesus foretelling of the current temple destruction and the
Matthew 21:33-46 (English-RSV)
33 [Jesus said] "Hear another parable. There was a householder who planted
a vineyard, and set a hedge around it, and dug a wine press in it, and
built a tower, and let it out to tenants, and went into
another country.
34 When the season of fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the
tenants, to get his fruit;
35 and the tenants took his servants and beat one, killed another, and
stoned another.
36 Again he sent other servants, more than the first; and they did the
same to them.
37 Afterward he sent his son to them, saying, 'They will respect my son.'
38 But when the tenants saw the son, they said to themselves, 'This is the
heir; come, let us kill him and have his inheritance.'
39 And they took him and cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. 40
When therefore the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those
tenants?"
41 They said to him, "He will put those wretches to a miserable death, and
let out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him the fruits in
their seasons."
42 Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the scriptures: 'The very
stone which the builders rejected has become the head of the corner; this
was the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes'?
43 Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and
given to a nation producing the fruits of it."
44 _
45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they
perceived that he was speaking about them.
46 But when they tried to arrest him, they feared the multitudes, because
they held him to be a prophet.
[...]
God destroyed the Temple and drove Jews out from Israel almost 2000 years
ago! Was it God or was it man's doing that Israel be made a State in 1948?
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http://www.israel-mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH00hb0
(Link still active May 16, 2003 and saved locally as: MFAH00hb0)
"THE DECLARATION OF THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL May 14, 1948
On May 14, 1948, on the day in which the British Mandate over a Palestine
expired, the Jewish People's Council gathered at the Tel Aviv Museum, and
approved the following proclamation, declaring the establishment of the
State of Israel. The new state was recognized that night at 11:00 AM
Israel time by the United States and three days later by the USSR...
ERETZ-ISRAEL [(Hebrew) - the Land of Israel, Palestine] was the birthplace of
the Jewish people...
After being forcibly exiled from their land, the people kept faith with it
throughout their Dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return
to it and for the restoration in it of their political freedom.
<<Tavish comment May 16, 2003: It was GOD himself who drove you out BUT is now
MAN countering God's will by trying to undo what GOD did and willed.>>
In the year 5657 (1897), at the summons of the spiritual father of the Jewish
State, Theodore Herzl, the First Zionist Congress convened and proclaimed the
right of the Jewish people to national rebirth in its own country.
This right was recognized in the Balfour Declaration of the 2nd November, 1917,
and re-affirmed in the Mandate of the League of Nations which, in particular,
gave international sanction to the historic connection between the Jewish people
and Eretz-Israel and to the right of the Jewish people to rebuild its National
Home...
<<Tavish comment May 16, 2003: Thus we see it is MAN creating the Jewish State
of Israel rather than it being GOD.>>
On the 29th November, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed a
resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish State in Eretz-Israel; the
General Assembly required the inhabitants of Eretz-Israel to take such steps as
were necessary on their part for the implementation of that resolution. This
recognition by the United Nations of the right of the Jewish people to establish
their State is irrevocable.
This right is the natural right of the Jewish people to be masters of their own
fate, like all other nations, in their own sovereign State.
ACCORDINGLY WE, MEMBERS OF THE PEOPLE'S COUNCIL, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE JEWISH
COMMUNITY OF ERETZ-ISRAEL AND OF THE ZIONIST MOVEMENT, ARE HERE ASSEMBLED ON THE
DAY OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER ERETZ-ISRAEL AND, BY VIRTUE
OF OUR NATURAL AND HISTORIC RIGHT AND ON THE STRENGTH OF THE RESOLUTION OF THE
UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY, HEREBY DECLARE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A JEWISH
STATE IN ERETZ-ISRAEL, TO BE KNOWN AS THE STATE OF ISRAEL.
WE DECLARE that, with effect from the moment of the termination of the Mandate
being tonight, the eve of Sabbath, the 6th Iyar, 5708 (15th May, 1948), until
the establishment of the elected, regular authorities of the State in accordance
with the Constitution which shall be adopted by the Elected Constituent Assembly
not later than the 1st October 1948, the People's Council shall act as a
Provisional Council of State, and its executive organ, the People's
Administration, shall be the Provisional Government of the Jewish State, to be
called "Israel"....
WE APPEAL to the Jewish people throughout the Diaspora to rally round the Jews
of Eretz-Israel in the tasks of immigration and upbuilding and to stand by them
in the great struggle for the realization of the age-old dream - the redemption
of Israel.
PLACING OUR TRUST IN THE ALMIGHTY, WE AFFIX OUR SIGNATURES TO THIS PROCLAMATION
AT THIS SESSION OF THE PROVISIONAL COUNCIL OF STATE, ON THE SOIL OF THE
HOMELAND, IN THE CITY OF TEL-AVIV, ON THIS SABBATH EVE, THE 5TH DAY OF IYAR,
5708 (14TH MAY,1948).
* Published in the Official Gazette, No. 1 of the 5th, Iyar, 5708 (14th May,
1948).
--<END>--
Hardly looks like God brought about the disenfranchisement of Palestinians
from their land does it? Modern "Israel" was mandated by man NOT by God!
~~End of Expanded GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
IF the present State of Israel is truly a restoration of land by God to the Jews
then why would God have driven Jews out of Israel ~2000 years ago when they
denounced Jesus as the scripture above showed and then "recently" restore the
land to Jews who have to this day have not recognized Jesus as the Messiah? VERY
IMPORTANT QUESTION!!
I.E.
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Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Subject: Children of the Devil and Anti-Christ[s] Positively Identified Using
Scripture-- Check The Proofs For Yourselves! V2.0
Date: 13 May 2003 05:29:00 GMT
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Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Subject: Political Parties of Israel (Israel is a Communist Sympathizer Nation!)
Date: 18 May 2003 07:27:35 GMT
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Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Subject: Capitalism, Communism, and Technology in Jewish Thought (In Their Own
Words Series)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:32:52 -0600
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Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Subject: Tax Exempt Religious Org (B'nai Brith) Gave Communist Financial and
Moral Support
Date: 4 Jun 2003 21:52:32 GMT
Communism is diametrically opposed to Christianity yet many people who claim to
be the "Sheep of Jesus" support the enemies of the true faith!
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Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Subject: Lubavitcher Given Congressional Gold Medal aka Congressional Jewish
Lobbyists -- Whose Interests Do They Serve?
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:41:46 -0500
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Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Subject: The Most Heinous Murder Plot Ever Devised (For Your Archives &
Research) V2 R_0524
Date: 24 May 2003 05:30:10 GMT
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Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Subject: Babylon the Great - Religious Persecution, Torture, Harassment
R_0524
Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Date: 24 May 2003 05:30:17 GMT
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Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Subject: The Apostle Paul on Judaized Jews R_0524
Date: 24 May 2003 05:30:25 GMT
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Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Subject: Children of the Devil and Anti-Christ[s] Positively Identified Using
Scripture-- Check The Proofs For Yourselves! V2.0
Date: 13 May 2003 05:29:00 GMT
Jewish Led Bolsheviks Scalped & Crucified Christians by Philippa Fletcher
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Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Subject: Bolsheviks Scalped and Crucified Christians -
Date: 1998/01/18
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Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) R_0425
Date: 25 Apr 2003 08:14:41 GMT
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Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Subject: Soviets (Communists) Were Jews as Proven by BOOLEAN Operands (Classic
Repost from 3-31-2000) Abridged Version R_0516
Date: 16 May 2003 06:36:09 GMT
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Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Subject: Jews and Their Intolerance Toward Christian Symbols-- Crosses
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:31:56 -0500
How anyone who claims to be a Christian can support the illegitimate State of
Israel run by communists/socialists is a real stretch of reality and a definite
indicator of how ignorant people are of the Devil's Designs!
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Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Subject: Today's Judaism is the Same Stuff Jesus Condemned ~2000 Years Ago
(Which Has Had Some Additions Made Since Then) V3.0 R_0625
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:51:27 -0500
Tavish
--Jewish Tradition will NEVER teach Non-Jews as being equals--
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Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Subject: Bigoted Reasoning of Jews on Relations with Non-Jews From Chabad
Lubavitch Cyberspace Website
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Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Subject: Exclusion Entirely of Non-Jews in the Jewish Scheme of Things! R_0426
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Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Subject: Lessons in Tanya- Hasidism - Only Jews Have Souls & Heavenly
Pre-Earthly Existence? R_0520
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Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Subject: About Kashrus and Supervision - What Jews Teach Concerning non-Jews (In
Their Own Words Series) R_0603
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Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Subject: Jews Want Legal and Financial Superiority Over the Non-Jew; Who is NOT
a "Brother" in Their Eyes!
Tilly
2003-06-27 12:57:35 UTC
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Post by Caiaphas
Thats the way I understand the Scriptures -- Modern Day Israel is *not* a
God-inspired entity.
If you are a Christian, you should reject anything that is against Christ -- and
that is one of Judaism's pillars -- that Jesus was just an ordinary man and not
the Son of God. Sounds like "anti-Christ" to me.
Have you not worked out that we aren't interested in what you have to say..
Jews aren't interested at all and most Christians think you are pain in the
arse as well. So why don't you just fuck off once and for all.

Tilly
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Matt A.00 01
2003-06-27 16:55:44 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by Caiaphas
Thats the way I understand the Scriptures -- Modern Day Israel is *not* a
God-inspired entity.
If you are a Christian, you should reject anything that is against Christ -- and
that is one of Judaism's pillars -- that Jesus was just an ordinary man and not
the Son of God. Sounds like "anti-Christ" to me.
Have you not worked out that we aren't interested in what you have to
say.. Jews aren't interested at all and most Christians think you are
pain in the arse as well. So why don't you just fuck off once and for
all.
Tilly
Mike the libeler Dog Shit's Bitch is still here so I again send this to her

Tilly

You said I threatened Mike DS Shultz.

if you mean the Do Jo that was due to a threat by him to me, "Take it out on
the Street" in American Culture means lets meet on the street or in an alley
and physically fight. My Do Jo thing was about calling his bluff. He
threatened and I responded. That in the eyes of legal systems in the US
puts that on him for instigating a fight.

If you mean the post card, you did not even read the "virus name correctly"
when you and he both claimed I said aids. *H* *C* *V* is the Medically
recognized short name for Hepatitis C Virus, note the Capitalized letters.
LOL

And his so called question I was answering with a Joke would illicit, I am
sure, a Judge laughing that out as evidence in the court and be one more
count of Libel for what I replied to quoted in full in that post (btw).
Mike said, "How many people did you *infect* today." so I joked to push his
buttons back by what I said. It worked he got really afraid, why because he
sees himself capable of it while I would not intentionally pass the virus on
to anyone.

You show your prejudice by not seeing the entire picture and wanting to
conclude what you did. Mike has shown all what he is. Ed told him, as have
most moderates here to date that he is shit. So tell me are you planning to
marry him or what?





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I am asking for a vote on the new site name dedicated to the Libel
Posts of Mike Shultz.

Suggestions to date that were emailed to me are:
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Sheldon Liberman
2003-06-27 22:28:59 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by Caiaphas
Thats the way I understand the Scriptures -- Modern Day Israel is *not* a
God-inspired entity.
If you are a Christian, you should reject anything that is against Christ -- and
that is one of Judaism's pillars -- that Jesus was just an ordinary man and not
the Son of God. Sounds like "anti-Christ" to me.
Have you not worked out that we aren't interested in what you have to say..
Jews aren't interested at all and most Christians think you are pain in the
arse as well. So why don't you just fuck off once and for all.
Tilly
Tilly has a foul mouth. Were you in the Navy?
Makes sense to me for a Christian to not support or endorse Judaism as Judaism
is against Christ.
I think you have that backwards. He rejected Judaism.
Caiaphas
2003-06-28 14:38:36 UTC
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Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by Tilly
Post by Caiaphas
Thats the way I understand the Scriptures -- Modern Day Israel is *not* a
God-inspired entity.
If you are a Christian, you should reject anything that is against Christ -- and
that is one of Judaism's pillars -- that Jesus was just an ordinary man and not
the Son of God. Sounds like "anti-Christ" to me.
Have you not worked out that we aren't interested in what you have to say..
Jews aren't interested at all and most Christians think you are pain in the
arse as well. So why don't you just fuck off once and for all.
Tilly
Tilly has a foul mouth. Were you in the Navy?
Makes sense to me for a Christian to not support or endorse Judaism as Judaism
is against Christ.
I think you have that backwards. He rejected Judaism.
"He rejected Judaism". Hmmm, interesting paradigm shift.
Christ was from God and He came with a message that those who support Judaism
rejects.
Could make the case that God and Christ has rejected Judaism, and you could make
the case that Jews reject Christ and God.
Ed
2003-06-28 15:57:58 UTC
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Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by Tilly
Post by Caiaphas
Thats the way I understand the Scriptures -- Modern Day Israel is *not* a
God-inspired entity.
If you are a Christian, you should reject anything that is against Christ -- and
that is one of Judaism's pillars -- that Jesus was just an ordinary man and not
the Son of God. Sounds like "anti-Christ" to me.
Have you not worked out that we aren't interested in what you have to say..
Jews aren't interested at all and most Christians think you are pain in the
arse as well. So why don't you just fuck off once and for all.
Tilly
Tilly has a foul mouth. Were you in the Navy?
Makes sense to me for a Christian to not support or endorse Judaism as
Judaism
Post by Sheldon Liberman
is against Christ.
I think you have that backwards. He rejected Judaism.
"He rejected Judaism". Hmmm, interesting paradigm shift.
Christ was from God and He came with a message that those who support Judaism
rejects.
Could make the case that God and Christ has rejected Judaism, and you could make
the case that Jews reject Christ and God.
And anyone at all can make the case that your body rejected your brain.
Caiaphas
2003-06-28 18:25:14 UTC
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Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by Tilly
Post by Caiaphas
Thats the way I understand the Scriptures -- Modern Day Israel is *not* a
God-inspired entity.
If you are a Christian, you should reject anything that is against
Christ -- and
that is one of Judaism's pillars -- that Jesus was just an ordinary
man and not
the Son of God. Sounds like "anti-Christ" to me.
Have you not worked out that we aren't interested in what you have to
say..
Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by Tilly
Jews aren't interested at all and most Christians think you are pain
in the
Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by Tilly
arse as well. So why don't you just fuck off once and for all.
Tilly
Tilly has a foul mouth. Were you in the Navy?
Makes sense to me for a Christian to not support or endorse Judaism as
Judaism
Post by Sheldon Liberman
is against Christ.
I think you have that backwards. He rejected Judaism.
"He rejected Judaism". Hmmm, interesting paradigm shift.
Christ was from God and He came with a message that those who support
Judaism
Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
rejects.
Could make the case that God and Christ has rejected Judaism, and you
could make
Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
the case that Jews reject Christ and God.
And anyone at all can make the case that your body rejected your brain.
Just read the Scriptures.
Sheldon Liberman
2003-06-30 11:50:19 UTC
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Post by Caiaphas
Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by Tilly
Post by Caiaphas
Thats the way I understand the Scriptures -- Modern Day Israel is *not* a
God-inspired entity.
If you are a Christian, you should reject anything that is against Christ -- and
that is one of Judaism's pillars -- that Jesus was just an ordinary man and not
the Son of God. Sounds like "anti-Christ" to me.
Have you not worked out that we aren't interested in what you have to
say..
Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by Tilly
Jews aren't interested at all and most Christians think you are pain
in the
Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by Tilly
arse as well. So why don't you just fuck off once and for all.
Tilly
Tilly has a foul mouth. Were you in the Navy?
Makes sense to me for a Christian to not support or endorse Judaism as
Judaism
Post by Sheldon Liberman
is against Christ.
I think you have that backwards. He rejected Judaism.
"He rejected Judaism". Hmmm, interesting paradigm shift.
Christ was from God and He came with a message that those who support
Judaism
Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
rejects.
Could make the case that God and Christ has rejected Judaism, and you
could make
Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
the case that Jews reject Christ and God.
And anyone at all can make the case that your body rejected your brain.
Just read the Scriptures.
Deut 30
Michael Trew
2021-11-13 21:13:27 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:28:59 -0400, Sheldon Liberman
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by Tilly
Post by Caiaphas
Thats the way I understand the Scriptures -- Modern Day Israel is *not* a
God-inspired entity.
If you are a Christian, you should reject anything that is against Christ -- and
that is one of Judaism's pillars -- that Jesus was just an ordinary man and not
the Son of God. Sounds like "anti-Christ" to me.
Have you not worked out that we aren't interested in what you have to say..
Jews aren't interested at all and most Christians think you are pain in the
arse as well. So why don't you just fuck off once and for all.
Tilly
Tilly has a foul mouth. Were you in the Navy?
Makes sense to me for a Christian to not support or endorse Judaism as Judaism
is against Christ.
I think you have that backwards. He rejected Judaism.
Everyone with even a small lick of sense rejects judaism, There's
only one place for jews, that being Treblinka.
amen
The Peeler
2021-11-13 21:47:05 UTC
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On Sat, 13 Nov 2021 16:13:27 -0500, Loose Sphincter, the unhappily married
Everyone with even a small lick of sense rejects judaism, There's
only one place for jews, that being Treblinka.
amen
You like your own shit, Loose Sphincter, you shiteating nazitard?
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Susan Cohen
2021-11-13 23:01:10 UTC
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Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by Tilly
Post by Caiaphas
Thats the way I understand the Scriptures -- Modern Day Israel is *not* a
God-inspired entity.
If you are a Christian, you should reject anything that is against Christ -- and
that is one of Judaism's pillars -- that Jesus was just an ordinary man and not
the Son of God. Sounds like "anti-Christ" to me.
Have you not worked out that we aren't interested in what you have to say..
Jews aren't interested at all and most Christians think you are pain in the
arse as well. So why don't you just fuck off once and for all.
Tilly
Tilly has a foul mouth. Were you in the Navy?
Makes sense to me for a Christian to not support or endorse Judaism as Judaism
is against Christ.
I think you have that backwards. He rejected Judaism.
Everyone with even a small lick of sense rejects judaism, There's
only one place for jews, that being Treblinka.
The Peeler
2021-11-13 23:05:23 UTC
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On Sat, 13 Nov 2021 18:01:10 -0500, Loose Sphincter, the unhappily married
Everyone with even a small lick of sense rejects nazitards like me, There's
only one place for nazis like me, that being on a gallows in Nuremberg.
There, I made a minor correction so you FINALLY said something like the
truth, Loose Sphincter, you ridiculous idiotic gay nazitard!
--
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" I love eating the Shit out of Poor Helpless Dumb Goran Razovic! LOL"
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Angus Fergus MacTavish
2003-06-27 15:08:23 UTC
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Post by Caiaphas
Thats the way I understand the Scriptures -- Modern Day Israel is *not* a
God-inspired entity.
If you are a Christian, you should reject anything that is against Christ -- and
that is one of Judaism's pillars -- that Jesus was just an ordinary man and not
the Son of God. Sounds like "anti-Christ" to me.
If you really want to see what Jews teach about Jesus then you should see this
archive:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=nkihfv8fkp1opcat9b260bht40559at3r9%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Unforgivable Sin, The Children of God, The Children of the Devil -- All
Identified (Shorter Compilation) R_0624
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:04:54 -0500
Message-ID: <***@4ax.com>

Also see:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=1ioifv01joma9fjqpa361host2smg0un2n%404ax.com&rnum=2
Subject: Today's Judaism is the Same Stuff Jesus Condemned ~2000 Years Ago
(Which Has Had Some Additions Made Since Then) V3.0 R_0625
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:51:27 -0500
Message-ID: <***@4ax.com>

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David T
2003-06-28 19:19:42 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 06:03:10 -0500, Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
<***@TAVISKOPF-GMBH.NET> wrote:

Nonsense clipped.

Puppy, when will you learn 2 things?
1) The "scriptures" don't prove anything. They are believed or not
believed.

2) The scriptures also say that the Jews will be in the lands during
"messianic times". So any Jew who believes the Messiah will come or
Christian who believes that the Messiah is about to return, will tell
you they have a different interpretation of the scriptures.
Tom Longboat
2003-06-28 18:20:07 UTC
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Post by David T
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 06:03:10 -0500, Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Nonsense clipped.
Puppy, when will you learn 2 things?
1) The "scriptures" don't prove anything. They are believed or not
believed.
2) The scriptures also say that the Jews will be in the lands during
"messianic times". So any Jew who believes the Messiah will come or
Christian who believes that the Messiah is about to return, will tell
you they have a different interpretation of the scriptures.
Didn't your mother tell you? Old pieces of paper cause fights amongst the
young.


So, take your old pieces of paper, head home and don't insult us with that
crap.
Caiaphas
2003-06-28 18:27:18 UTC
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Post by David T
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 06:03:10 -0500, Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Nonsense clipped.
Puppy, when will you learn 2 things?
1) The "scriptures" don't prove anything. They are believed or not
believed.
2) The scriptures also say that the Jews will be in the lands during
"messianic times". So any Jew who believes the Messiah will come or
Christian who believes that the Messiah is about to return, will tell
you they have a different interpretation of the scriptures.
Where does the Scriptures say that the 'Jews will be in the lands during
"messianic times" '????
David T
2003-06-29 21:15:44 UTC
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:27:18 -0400, "Caiaphas"
Post by Caiaphas
Post by David T
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 06:03:10 -0500, Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Nonsense clipped.
Puppy, when will you learn 2 things?
1) The "scriptures" don't prove anything. They are believed or not
believed.
2) The scriptures also say that the Jews will be in the lands during
"messianic times". So any Jew who believes the Messiah will come or
Christian who believes that the Messiah is about to return, will tell
you they have a different interpretation of the scriptures.
Where does the Scriptures say that the 'Jews will be in the lands during
"messianic times" '????
Ask the fundamentalist Christians. They're the ones supporting Israel
and subsidizing aliyah to the West Bank for just that reason.
Caiaphas
2003-06-30 11:13:10 UTC
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Post by David T
On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:27:18 -0400, "Caiaphas"
Post by Caiaphas
Post by David T
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 06:03:10 -0500, Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Nonsense clipped.
Puppy, when will you learn 2 things?
1) The "scriptures" don't prove anything. They are believed or not
believed.
2) The scriptures also say that the Jews will be in the lands during
"messianic times". So any Jew who believes the Messiah will come or
Christian who believes that the Messiah is about to return, will tell
you they have a different interpretation of the scriptures.
Where does the Scriptures say that the 'Jews will be in the lands during
"messianic times" '????
Ask the fundamentalist Christians. They're the ones supporting Israel
and subsidizing aliyah to the West Bank for just that reason.
THAT is the problem -- fundamentalist Christians are just working on a
'theory' -- the theory that John Darby introduced in the 1800's. This 'theory'
does not reflect the beliefs of the early Christian Church and is a relatively
new theology.

"trying to push the frontiers of ignorance back a little" -- Rush Limbaugh
David T
2003-06-30 16:08:57 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 07:13:10 -0400, "Caiaphas"
Post by Caiaphas
Post by David T
On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:27:18 -0400, "Caiaphas"
Post by Caiaphas
Post by David T
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 06:03:10 -0500, Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Nonsense clipped.
Puppy, when will you learn 2 things?
1) The "scriptures" don't prove anything. They are believed or not
believed.
2) The scriptures also say that the Jews will be in the lands during
"messianic times". So any Jew who believes the Messiah will come or
Christian who believes that the Messiah is about to return, will tell
you they have a different interpretation of the scriptures.
Where does the Scriptures say that the 'Jews will be in the lands during
"messianic times" '????
Ask the fundamentalist Christians. They're the ones supporting Israel
and subsidizing aliyah to the West Bank for just that reason.
THAT is the problem -- fundamentalist Christians are just working on a
'theory' -- the theory that John Darby introduced in the 1800's. This 'theory'
does not reflect the beliefs of the early Christian Church and is a relatively
new theology.
Well, first, the real early Christian Church wasn't Christian, but
Jewish. But with the destruction of the Second Temple they had to
rationalize why they weren't in Messianic times. Meanwhile, the Church
has evolved in many ways over its 2,000 years, just as other religions
have evolved. In fact, most Muslims, other than those in the Middle
East, don't have the same believes as the early Mulsim practice told.
Now the Middle East folks try to keep it all going, including the very
violent Koranic statements to kill all infidels.
Post by Caiaphas
"trying to push the frontiers of ignorance back a little" -- Rush Limbaugh
Talk about a man who's ignoring his own quote. He's a major proponent
of ignorance.
flaviaR
2021-09-27 15:07:23 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 06:03:10 -0500, Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
Post by Horst Siegfried Taviskopf
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=qf7acvoa8hfn3bi2fttrvo00fhaoi2f8ip%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Old Covenant Vs New -- New Covenant Replaces Old Covenant (Jews NO
Longer God's Chosen People & Entitled to "Israel" So Says the Scripture!)
Subject: G-d's Will - Jews No Longer OWN The Land Israel
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:27:25 GMT
(Excerpt)
Subject: Re: Jews Go Home!
Date: 31 May 1999 07:29:47 GMT
Organization: Netcom
We are home. You're the invader.
Stop the illusions. Go back to Krakow. It's our land. Forever.
The invadors are you jewish fanatics who invaded OUR land in 1948.
I wish those ships sank before they reached Yafa.
Hani
Please specify how the half million Jews resident in Israel in 1948 are
invaders of the land given to them.
Who gave "Jews" the land in 1948? If you say G-d then you are wrong! G-d
has thoroughly dispossessed you of the land that you claim as YOURS. The
Temple being in ruins for nearly two thousand years is tantamount to the
THE TEMPLE INUAGURATION AND GOD'S STATEMENT
3 And the LORD said to him [King Solomon], "I have heard your prayer and
your supplication, which you have made before me; I have
consecrated this house which you have built, and put my name there for
ever; my eyes and my heart will be there for all time.
4 And as for you, if you will walk before me, as David your father walked,
with integrity of heart and uprightness, doing according to all that I
have commanded you, and keeping my statutes and my
ordinances,
5 then I will establish your royal throne over Israel for ever, as I
promised David your father, saying, 'There shall not fail you a man upon
the throne of Israel.'
6 But if you turn aside from following me, you or your children, and do
not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but
go and serve other gods and worship them,
7 then I will cut off Israel from the land which I have given them; and
the house which I have consecrated for my name I will cast out of my
sight; and Israel will become a proverb and a byword among all peoples.
8 And this house will become a heap of ruins; everyone passing by it will
be astonished, and will hiss; and they will say, 'Why has the LORD done
thus to this land and to this house?'
9 Then they will say, 'Because they forsook the LORD their God who brought
their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other gods, and
worshiped them and served them; therefore the LORD has brought all this
evil upon them.'"
Here is Jesus foretelling of the current temple destruction and the
Matthew 21:33-46 (English-RSV)
33 [Jesus said] "Hear another parable. There was a householder who planted
a vineyard, and set a hedge around it, and dug a wine press in it, and
built a tower, and let it out to tenants, and went into
another country.
34 When the season of fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the
tenants, to get his fruit;
35 and the tenants took his servants and beat one, killed another, and
stoned another.
36 Again he sent other servants, more than the first; and they did the
same to them.
37 Afterward he sent his son to them, saying, 'They will respect my son.'
38 But when the tenants saw the son, they said to themselves, 'This is the
heir; come, let us kill him and have his inheritance.'
39 And they took him and cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. 40
When therefore the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those
tenants?"
41 They said to him, "He will put those wretches to a miserable death, and
let out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him the fruits in
their seasons."
42 Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the scriptures: 'The very
stone which the builders rejected has become the head of the corner; this
was the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes'?
43 Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and
given to a nation producing the fruits of it."
44 _
45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they
perceived that he was speaking about them.
46 But when they tried to arrest him, they feared the multitudes, because
they held him to be a prophet.
[...]
God destroyed the Temple and drove Jews out from Israel almost 2000 years
ago! Was it God or was it man's doing that Israel be made a State in 1948?
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(Link still active May 16, 2003 and saved locally as: MFAH00hb0)
"THE DECLARATION OF THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL May 14, 1948
On May 14, 1948, on the day in which the British Mandate over a Palestine
expired, the Jewish People's Council gathered at the Tel Aviv Museum, and
approved the following proclamation, declaring the establishment of the
State of Israel. The new state was recognized that night at 11:00 AM
Israel time by the United States and three days later by the USSR...
ERETZ-ISRAEL [(Hebrew) - the Land of Israel, Palestine] was the birthplace of
the Jewish people...
After being forcibly exiled from their land, the people kept faith with it
throughout their Dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return
to it and for the restoration in it of their political freedom.
<<Tavish comment May 16, 2003: It was GOD himself who drove you out BUT is now
MAN countering God's will by trying to undo what GOD did and willed.>>
In the year 5657 (1897), at the summons of the spiritual father of the Jewish
State, Theodore Herzl, the First Zionist Congress convened and proclaimed the
right of the Jewish people to national rebirth in its own country.
This right was recognized in the Balfour Declaration of the 2nd November, 1917,
and re-affirmed in the Mandate of the League of Nations which, in particular,
gave international sanction to the historic connection between the Jewish people
and Eretz-Israel and to the right of the Jewish people to rebuild its National
Home...
<<Tavish comment May 16, 2003: Thus we see it is MAN creating the Jewish State
of Israel rather than it being GOD.>>
On the 29th November, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed a
resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish State in Eretz-Israel; the
General Assembly required the inhabitants of Eretz-Israel to take such steps as
were necessary on their part for the implementation of that resolution. This
recognition by the United Nations of the right of the Jewish people to establish
their State is irrevocable.
This right is the natural right of the Jewish people to be masters of their own
fate, like all other nations, in their own sovereign State.
ACCORDINGLY WE, MEMBERS OF THE PEOPLE'S COUNCIL, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE JEWISH
COMMUNITY OF ERETZ-ISRAEL AND OF THE ZIONIST MOVEMENT, ARE HERE ASSEMBLED ON THE
DAY OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER ERETZ-ISRAEL AND, BY VIRTUE
OF OUR NATURAL AND HISTORIC RIGHT AND ON THE STRENGTH OF THE RESOLUTION OF THE
UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY, HEREBY DECLARE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A JEWISH
STATE IN ERETZ-ISRAEL, TO BE KNOWN AS THE STATE OF ISRAEL.
WE DECLARE that, with effect from the moment of the termination of the Mandate
being tonight, the eve of Sabbath, the 6th Iyar, 5708 (15th May, 1948), until
the establishment of the elected, regular authorities of the State in accordance
with the Constitution which shall be adopted by the Elected Constituent Assembly
not later than the 1st October 1948, the People's Council shall act as a
Provisional Council of State, and its executive organ, the People's
Administration, shall be the Provisional Government of the Jewish State, to be
called "Israel"....
WE APPEAL to the Jewish people throughout the Diaspora to rally round the Jews
of Eretz-Israel in the tasks of immigration and upbuilding and to stand by them
in the great struggle for the realization of the age-old dream - the redemption
of Israel.
PLACING OUR TRUST IN THE ALMIGHTY, WE AFFIX OUR SIGNATURES TO THIS PROCLAMATION
AT THIS SESSION OF THE PROVISIONAL COUNCIL OF STATE, ON THE SOIL OF THE
HOMELAND, IN THE CITY OF TEL-AVIV, ON THIS SABBATH EVE, THE 5TH DAY OF IYAR,
5708 (14TH MAY,1948).
* Published in the Official Gazette, No. 1 of the 5th, Iyar, 5708 (14th May,
1948).
--<END>--
Hardly looks like God brought about the disenfranchisement of Palestinians
from their land does it? Modern "Israel" was mandated by man NOT by God!
~~End of Expanded GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
IF the present State of Israel is truly a restoration of land by God to the Jews
then why would God have driven Jews out of Israel ~2000 years ago when they
denounced Jesus as the scripture above showed and then "recently" restore the
land to Jews who have to this day have not recognized Jesus as the Messiah? VERY
IMPORTANT QUESTION!!
I.E.
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Subject: Capitalism, Communism, and Technology in Jewish Thought (In Their Own
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Subject: Tax Exempt Religious Org (B'nai Brith) Gave Communist Financial and
Moral Support
Date: 4 Jun 2003 21:52:32 GMT
Communism is diametrically opposed to Christianity yet many people who claim to
be the "Sheep of Jesus" support the enemies of the true faith!
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Jewish Led Bolsheviks Scalped & Crucified Christians by Philippa Fletcher
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Subject: Bolsheviks Scalped and Crucified Christians -
Date: 1998/01/18
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Israel run by communists/socialists is a real stretch of reality and a definite
indicator of how ignorant people are of the Devil's Designs!
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Tavish
--Jewish Tradition will NEVER teach Non-Jews as being equals--
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It bears repeating
The Peeler
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Post by flaviaR
It bears repeating
Yes, the fact that you are an absolutely idiotic gay nazoid shithead!
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Andrew Anglin - White Supremacist Pedo Boy
2021-10-03 15:37:35 UTC
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The Bible was written by middle eastern savages, brown skinned sand niggers
who were so gullible that they would easily bow down to a incandescent light
bulb as if it was a creation of God himself.


That's why real Christians need to renounce their possessions and revert to a
Bronze Age lifestyle. It's what Jesus would do.


Franklin Graham won't do it because he's into sucking cock.
Andrew Anglin - White Supremacist Pedo Boy
2021-10-30 21:12:53 UTC
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The Bible was written by middle eastern savages, brown skinned sand niggers
who were so gullible that they would easily bow down to a incandescent light
bulb as if it was a creation of God himself.


That's why real Christians need to renounce their possessions and revert to a
Bronze Age lifestyle. It's what Jesus would do.


Franklin Graham won't do it because he's into sucking cock.
Andrew Anglin - White Supremacist Pedo Boy
2021-11-11 19:02:20 UTC
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The Bible was written by middle eastern savages, brown skinned sand niggers
who were so gullible that they would easily bow down to a incandescent light
bulb as if it was a creation of God himself.


That's why real Christians need to renounce their possessions and revert to a
Bronze Age lifestyle. It's what Jesus would do.


Franklin Graham won't do it because he's into sucking cock.
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